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- <title>
- Sep. 11, 1989: Interview:Tadeusz Mazowiecki
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- <history>
- TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1989
- Sep. 11, 1989 The Lonely War:Drugs
- </history>
- <article>
- <source>Time Magazine</source>
- <hdr>
- WORLD, Page 35
- "People Are Impatient"
- </hdr><body>
- <p>Poland's new Prime Minister talks about Western aid, Communism
- and Mikhail Gorbachev
- </p>
- <p>By John Borrell, Tadeusz Kucharski, Tadeusz Mazowiecki
- </p>
- <p> In his first major interview with a Western news
- organization since taking office two weeks ago, Polish Prime
- Minister Tadeusz Mazowiecki met for an hour last week with
- TIME's Eastern Europe bureau chief, John Borrell, and Warsaw
- reporter Tadeusz Kucharski. In a typical display of informality,
- Mazowiecki did not request written questions in advance and had
- no aides present during the meeting, which took place in his
- sparsely furnished offices in downtown Warsaw. Excerpts:
- </p>
- <p> Q. As a member of Solidarity, you were jailed by the
- government for a year in 1982. Did you ever think it would come
- to this, that you would be sitting here as Prime Minister of
- Poland?
- </p>
- <p> A. (Chuckle.) No, I never imagined it, not even a week
- before the decision was made. And certainly not when I was
- interned.
- </p>
- <p> Q. What is your biggest concern now that you are in power?
- </p>
- <p> A. In order to succeed, the government needs time. But
- people are very impatient with the lack of commodities; they are
- impatient with high prices. People expect quick results.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Is the West giving Poland enough money?
- </p>
- <p> A. Immediate assistance is what we badly need right now.
- And quick assistance is twice as valuable. First of all, we want
- speedy relief in our debt-servicing obligations, then economic
- aid for particular projects that would help our economy develop.
- We think the West understands that if we do not succeed, the
- world will also have failed at something that is important. But
- we are not just after emergency aid. We are also looking for
- long-lasting economic ties. Even if a partnership today between
- the West and Poland is not an equal one, tomorrow it will turn
- out to be profitable for the West.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Now that Solidarity is in power, are splits within the
- organization growing?
- </p>
- <p> A. For a long time in Poland, authorities preached a false
- doctrine of unanimity, and the opposition suppressed its
- divisions for fear of weakening itself. Now we have to proceed
- toward normality. Obviously there are different interest groups
- inside Solidarity, and from this great movement will surely
- emerge new political parties. This should run its natural
- course.
- </p>
- <p> Q. So it's not a bad thing for new political parties to
- emerge?
- </p>
- <p> A. Moving toward a natural state of affairs is always a
- good thing.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Do you think Lech Walesa wants to run Poland from the
- sidelines?
- </p>
- <p> A. I have a high regard for Lech Walesa's political
- instincts and maturity and for his ability to take the
- initiative. We have always had good cooperation. We have always
- respected each other's point of view. I think this relationship
- will continue.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Is Communism finished in Poland?
- </p>
- <p> A. (A deep chuckle, then a long pause.) The transformation
- now taking place would not have been possible if it were not
- for the support of Communist Party members. They deserve credit
- for initiating the round-table talks last year. These
- reform-minded party members paid a high price for this in last
- June's parliamentary elections. It so happens that sometimes in
- politics and history, the ones who pay are not the ones who are
- at fault. I told President Wojciech Jaruzelski last week that
- the success of my government will depend on his help. I don't
- think Communism will disappear, but I believe it will undergo
- a transformation.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Will Communism play an important role in Poland's
- future?
- </p>
- <p> A. Please, I am the Prime Minister of a government. I can
- answer your questions as a Prime Minister but not as an
- ideological prophet. Only by joint effort can we steer Poland
- into the future. No one undertaking this task has suicide on his
- mind. He must have hope in the future.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Do you admire Mikhail Gorbachev?
- </p>
- <p> A. Yes, yes. I consider him a very courageous and
- outstanding statesman who does great things.
- </p>
- <p> Q. Would Poland's experiment in democracy have been
- impossible without him?
- </p>
- <p> A. Yes. He is a very important factor.
- </p>
- <p> Q. You used to be the editor of Solidarity's newspaper. Is
- politics harder than journalism?
- </p>
- <p> A. (Chuckle.) What do you think?
- </p>
- <p> Q. I am sorry, but I have never been a Prime Minister.
- </p>
- <p> A. But everyone carries a general's baton in his knapsack.
- As an editor, I wasn't fishing for sensational stories. I was
- always aware of my paper's political responsibilities, so I
- don't feel uncomfortable changing jobs. Of course it is
- different being editor of a 500,000-circulation newspaper and
- being a Prime Minister. At first I felt as if a great rock were
- put on my shoulders. Someone wrote that during the confirmation
- vote, I looked like a condemned man waiting for his sentence to
- be passed. When I looked at myself on TV, I saw a stranger. Only
- now am I beginning to identify myself with the image that
- appears on TV.
- </p>
- <p> Q. If you had only one wish, what would it be? That you
- would get more sleep, spend more time with your family, that
- Poland would receive billions of dollars in aid?
- </p>
- <p> A. Yes, of course I would like that (chuckling).
- </p>
- <p> Q. The last one?
- </p>
- <p> A. I would have two wishes. The last one you mentioned,
- and that I could go to the forest and spend the whole day in the
- woods.
- </p>
- <p> Q. To think?
- </p>
- <p> A. To relax.
- </p>
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